世界500強(qiáng)CEO訪談 第12期:通用里克瓦格納 開發(fā)新型燃料汽車(3)

Wagoner: Well，certainly, there have been some interesting developments here (in Silicon Valley) and there’s a lot of smart people and obviously some tremendously deep engineering capability—all of which could be helpful to us. We have a lot of different standards we need to meet with automobiles and we and our competitors in the industry have a lot of experience in that and have a lot of experience in high-volume, high-quality manufacturing. I think that’s worth a lot. So we welcome the chance to work with others, but I suspect, you know, 10，20 years from today, companies like GM will be the ones that can really lead the mass adoption of these technologies.

瓦格納：當(dāng)然，現(xiàn)在硅谷已經(jīng)有了一些很有趣的發(fā)展，那里有很多聰明的人，那里也有很強(qiáng)大的工程能力，那對(duì)于我們都是有所幫助的。制造汽車，我們要滿足很多不同的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)，對(duì)此，我們以及我們?cè)谶@個(gè)領(lǐng)域的競(jìng)爭(zhēng)者都很有經(jīng)驗(yàn)，并且在大容量、高質(zhì)量的汽車制造方面我們也是很有經(jīng)驗(yàn)的。我認(rèn)為那是很值得的，所以我們期盼有機(jī)會(huì)能夠與他人進(jìn)行合作，但是我想，在10年或20年之后，像通用汽車這樣的公司將會(huì)成為大量采用新技術(shù)制造汽車的帶頭人。

Reporter: And when you say it’s scale, you mean you’ve got to make enough of these things. You can’t just make a few.

記者：當(dāng)你說那是規(guī)模問題時(shí)，你的意思就是你們必須要做足夠多，而不僅僅是一點(diǎn)。

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Wagoner: Yeah. Look, it’s fine if you’re making 1,000 or 2,000 of an electric car and I think there is value in that in a lot of ways, but it’s not going to have a big dent in oil consumption in the country, or C02 emissions. What’s going to have a big dent is if you can do 100,000, 200,000, 500,000, a million units. And that’s really what you have to do if you’re going to make term trend in the growth of petroleum C02 emissions. We’ve got to get a lot of volume out of this out here over time if we，re really going to make a difference in those areas.

瓦格納：是的。我想，如果你現(xiàn)在能夠制造1000或2000輛電力汽車，那很好，而且從很多方面來說 都很有價(jià)值，但是那不會(huì)對(duì)國家現(xiàn)今的耗油量或者二氧化碳排放量有很大的影響，如果能夠制造出10 萬、20萬、50萬或100萬輛的話，那將會(huì)給我們帶來很大的改變。而那才是我們真正需要做的事 情，以減少二氧化碳的高排放量。如果我們要在這些領(lǐng)域有很大影響的話，我們就必須要努力減少其排放量。

Reporter: But I wonder if Tesla, for example, or some of the others are in effect pushing you to get to that point. You see what they’re doing and we’ve got to catch up or we’ve got to surpass it.

記者：但是我想知道，諸如特斯拉或者其他的公司所做的事情是否能夠真正有助于你們實(shí)現(xiàn)那些目標(biāo)。你知道他們現(xiàn)在都在做些什么，我們必須要趕上他們或者是超過他們。

Wagoner: We’ve watched with admiration what Tesla a difference in what is a long is doing and have had a chance to talk to some of their people and view their progress. But I think to be honest, to do really large-scale manufacturing of those，we would have to use quite a different process. So, we are fascinated to see a lot of people interested in what they’re doing and we’re cheer leading for their success. And if we can learn from that, we will. I’m not sure that the processes that work for production units of 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 are what gets us to the breakthrough, but if we can learn from that, we’ll be glad to do that.

瓦格納：我們很欽佩特斯拉正在做的事情，也很感激能有機(jī)會(huì)能夠與他們的一些工作人員進(jìn)行交流，并看到他們的進(jìn)步。但是坦白說，我認(rèn)為想要大規(guī)模的進(jìn)行那類汽車生產(chǎn)，我們必須要采用不同的流程。所以我們很高興看到工作人員對(duì)此都很有興趣，我們?yōu)樗麄兊某晒Χ鴼g呼。如果我們能夠從中學(xué)習(xí)到什么，我們會(huì)去學(xué)習(xí)的。但是我不確定，用于生產(chǎn)100、1000或10000輛單位的汽車流程能否幫助我們?nèi)〉猛黄疲侨绻覀兡軓闹袑W(xué)習(xí)到東西的話，我們會(huì)樂意學(xué)的。

Reporter: And when do you see the big changes coming which you seem to imply are going to happen?

記者：您認(rèn)為即將發(fā)生的最大的變化會(huì)是什么呢?